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all right welcome back to another

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episode of liminal frames I'm your host

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Nathan and I'm joined by my friend and

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co-host Darren EXO Academia Darren I

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don't have the energy that my other

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co-host DJ has on cab I was trying to

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Channel A little bit of his enthusiasm

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to kick this episode off because we are

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going to talk about channeling today so

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I'm very excited to get into that but

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before we do I want to catch up with you

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really quick uh how's it been what's

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going on uh just another normal day in

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the woods where you are give us an

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update

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right you could say that or not

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um yeah it's been uh I've I've hinted

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before if not said outright just how

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you know synchronistically orchestrated

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everything seems to be over the last

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year and a half or so and I have

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mentioned how 2023 seems to be kicking

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off at an even greater Pace in 2022

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which seems you know impossible and yet

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it seems to be the case and that is not

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let up the last last week's probably

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been one of the craziest weeks of my

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life if not number one which you know is

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is saying a lot so he lied to us the

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last year so yeah I'll do great how you

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doing

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uh I'm great man I'm great I'm uh I'm

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here to kind of mellow out your insane

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experiences uh because my life is

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totally

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pretty normal uh nothing crazy happening

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just usual work family obligations uh

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and enjoying some of this warmer weather

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I guess it's good about to get a little

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bit cool again so uh you and I both will

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be getting a little cold snap over the

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next couple of days but it seems like

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winter is on the way out and spring is

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on the way in which I'm very excited

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about other than the pollen I just can't

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stand the pollen but I love to see the

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transcript absolutely yeah

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well we're going to jump into a topic

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that I know a lot of folks are

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interested in I certainly am interested

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in it and it's not a topic uh without

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some degree of controversy which of

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course is pretty much every topic that

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we touch on it has some level of

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controversy around it but this one in

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particular can get pretty uh heated even

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amongst those who are into this broad

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topic of ufology or phenomenology and

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that's the topic of channeling

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um and so we're going to cover I think a

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pretty good bit of territory here uh

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with respect to this issue I know you've

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got some unique Insight on it and we

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also want to kind of land as well at the

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end of the episode on how it fits into

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the sort of overall uh cosmology that we

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have about the nature of reality but

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maybe we can start with a definition uh

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which you share with me and I like this

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definition thing is pretty fitting so

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I'm going to read it here uh channeling

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is the process of revealing information

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and energy not limited by our

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conventional Notions of space and time

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that can appear receptive or expressive

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uh so a couple of different interesting

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tidbits there to dig into the one that

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jumps out of me right away is not

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limited to sort of space and time uh

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this sort of non-local quality of

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when you dig into this as you as you and

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I have you find there are lots of

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different definitions for channeling

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there and it goes by many there are

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different names as well so even if the

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word channeling might be off-putting to

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some of our audience we might use a

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different phrase and they might go oh

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the time so it's under some degree it's

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about how you package it so what are

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your thoughts on uh you know kind of the

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uh the word itself how it's used and and

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where people are just in general being

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receptive to this notion of channeling

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information that comes from somewhere

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other than maybe the immediate itself

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right and I think we will probably go

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back and forth on this a little bit uh

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for a while because I think we kind of

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want to describe the general territory

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and then talk about different ways that

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channeling can be described within that

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larger territory because this kind of

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Falls within General kind of psychic

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phenomena in general and PSY phenomena

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in general sometimes when people think

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of channeling they think of what is more

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specifically defined as like trans

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channeling where you kind of go into a

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trench State and basically some sort of

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other being sometimes a non-corporeal

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kind of being or an alien intelligence

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will actually basically take over your

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body and be able to use your your

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muscles and your vocal cords to

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make sounds and to actually generate

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speech off there's a sense that even

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it's limited to the vocabulary of the

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person who's the receptive nature or

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which the being that's doing the

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channeling has a hard time expressing

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based on the limited vocabulary uh of

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the person other times there's cases

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like in the raw material where

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they seem to be able to access the

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entire history of the English language

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but because they do so and because the

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English language has evolved over time

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they will sometimes use these old

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English words that haven't been used for

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like 150 years or something so the part

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where the people actually being involved

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in the channeling session have to go

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find old dictionaries and look this up

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and figure out what the heck did we just

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say you know so so that's really

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interesting but yeah in that in that

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more narrow definition of trans

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like the person goes into a sleep state

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or dormant state where they sometimes

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are not even aware of what's going on

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they have to be told afterwards you know

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what happened and they have to listen to

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a tape because sometimes they don't even

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remember what was said through them

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basically through their vocal cords

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other times more recently it's described

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more like you sort of step aside and you

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can witness some other kind of

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intelligence working through your body

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moving your vocal cords but you really

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feel like you're you're accessing it

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like a witness so that's that's trans

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Define it that way but the reason we

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Define it the way that you did

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which I'm just going to read it one more

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time channeling is the process of

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revealing information and energy not

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limited by our conventional Notions of

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space and time that can appear receptive

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even within the Institute of noetic

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that definition so that's why I actually

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trust that this is people

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who have spent decades studying this PhD

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level people who are saying this is the

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best definition they have of what

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channeling actually is and and trans

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within that so and of course the reason

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why we yeah you hinted already space and

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this is really key here the notion of

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non-local Consciousness right and once

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you establish that that's probably the

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case that our Consciousness is not

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combined or you know confined within our

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mind or brain within our skull the

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initially that opens up all sorts of

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possibilities and really channeling

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along with all of this kind of Sci

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phenomena very much says to us that

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physicalism as we've said before is not

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tenable because these phenomena simply

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cannot exist if physicalism is true and

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yet we have so much research that's been

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done by ions by Dane Raiden people like

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that to suggest to us this is absolutely

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true this is actually saying something

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fundamental about reality

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well and the uh the critique that's

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leveled to this many times is that uh

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what how is this really different from

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just using your imagination right so uh

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when somebody says uh you know I had

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know where it came from well the skeptic

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will say well I mean the mind's very

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powerful and you just imagined it and

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you know that's what happened here it's

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not something that uh you know something

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spooky about it it just kind of came out

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of out of your subconscious or what have

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interesting or perception is kind of

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interesting because some of the

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output from channeling or instances like

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that uh are quite extraordinary uh that

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information would argue like they

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literally have no corollary in their

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lived experience by which to generate

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that kind of content and that does

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certainly I think raise some questions

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right it's like I I can my imagination's

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pretty good but I mean I can't just you

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know create some elaborate complex ideas

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uh out of out of The Ether you know

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um if I'm just if we're just talking

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about imagination here so that I wonder

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if you could speak to that a little bit

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uh you know some of the critique of this

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yeah absolutely I think just like I

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alluded to a minute ago with the sort of

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confines of physicalism and the

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assumptions and the presuppositions

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about the nature of reality and the

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nature of what's possible within

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physicalism so if that is someone's

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model though they they believe that that

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accurately depicts reality then they

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have to come up with some reason why

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people are having these experiences

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right and so the lumishread imagination

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you know whatever comes to mind for them

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to try to explain what's going on but as

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that doesn't really deal with the data

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because some of the data suggests that

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we really do get information

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that either doesn't seem to be normally

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attainable by anyone for instance it

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could be something uh to do with future

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information which no one has access to

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generally according to this model

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anywhere physicalism

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but like you say also sometimes people

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will receive information that is far

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beyond what they could make up even if

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they you know read science fiction their

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entire lives you know I know I know

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cases personally where people who have

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no scientific background really are

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suddenly channeling differential

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equations like really Advanced quantum

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physics so

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I know personally that I've seen this

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happen and it's not just what I've seen

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in people around me but you know this

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has been well well documented that this

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happens I also want to point out too

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based on something you said there

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as I've pointed out before any kind of

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event is always an interpreted

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experience right so we never just have a

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raw experience and just explain it to

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people as if we're just being completely

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objective we're already always putting

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it through some sort of filter and so

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what's interesting is even when you ask

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people who are channelers who experience

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channeling

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they themselves will have different

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answers as to where they think it's

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coming from and really comes down to

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what they believe the possibilities are

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based on their model of reality

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so some people think that they

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are getting it from their own

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subconscious but that there's a much

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more robust

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um knowledge base than we're aware of

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other people think they're getting it

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from the collective unconscious like

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kind of a union kind of perspective

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other people think they're getting it

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from their higher self

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and then other people think they're

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going up from Alien intelligences so it

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really and some are all the above right

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um Spirit guides right so it speaks to

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just how broad and deep the

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possibilities are and and you know me by

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now my answer is going to be it's all of

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the above then that this is just the

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nature of reality is incredibly rich and

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diverse with all these different kinds

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of intelligences and as we progress

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along the Consciousness Spectrum we

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become aware of and can interact with

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and draw from more and more of these

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other pools of information and again

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when you whether you call it the akashic

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records or the cosmic memory or whatever

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ultimately like I've said before

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any bit of information from any space

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and any time is always available that's

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that's the fundamental truth that gets

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revealed in all of this SCI phenomena

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and of course that's uh that's Paradigm

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shattering stuff certainly is well and I

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maybe we could speak a little bit to the

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ways in which uh channeling appears in

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you know human history

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um and here I'm thinking of

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uh you know let's talk about

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Christianity and we kind of go there

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fairly often but the idea of divine

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inspiration a lot of and not just with

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Christianity but a lot of the kind of

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different religious Traditions have a

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concept like this where uh some kind of

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divine information is received by uh you

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know a devout person or maybe someone

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who's not devout at all uh and then that

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information just kind of flows from them

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in different forms whether they can be

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sort of prophetic pronouncements a lot

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of the prophets certainly uh would would

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say that they're not it's not their

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message that they're giving it's it's

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some other message that's coming out of

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them but in the Christian tradition

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specifically as well we have this notion

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of a divinely inspired text you know

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that it's sort of written by human hands

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but but they're not the individuals that

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originated these ideas they they sort of

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flowed just through them onto the page

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so whether you to kind of adhere to that

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or not that's just one example of where

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you know human culture we have pointed

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to this kind of uh of inspiration or you

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know non-local information just you know

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arising on the scene but we've got a lot

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more recent examples as well within uh

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you know Human Art and music

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um we've got lots of examples of

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musicians who just kind of say like I

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don't know where this song came from you

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know I just sat down and it came out and

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I don't know where the tune came from or

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the lyrics like none of it makes sense

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to me when I look at it and I'm reading

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it but you know here it is

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um and it ends up being a tremendous hit

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and I've also heard as well not in the

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you know kind of an art example but in

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in science examples there are many

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scientists who have these same kinds of

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an aha moments or things just kind of

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appear to them uh and they end up being

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a dramatic

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world-changing kinds of Concepts and

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I've even heard too that some of these

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uh scientists uh don't want to talk

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publicly about how they obtained this

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information

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uh because it it is

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unaccepted in the in the circles that

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they traffic in and so people just sort

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of attribute them to being kind of a

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genius but really uh if you get them in

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private and they kind of talk about how

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they arrived at that conclusion or what

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have you they'll tell you they have no

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idea it just kind of came to them out of

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nowhere

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um so we have a lot of examples here of

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the notion of channeling but kind of

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packaged in ways that are more uh

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socially acceptable so this seems to

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have been like a part of us for a very

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long time but it's just in the last

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maybe 50 years

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a little bit more than that perhaps

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where we've kind of looked at channeling

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as like this oh really bizarre you know

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sort of new age uh you know thing that

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you know if you call it that well I

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don't want anything to do with that

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that's that's not something that I'm

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okay with if we're talking about

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Intuition or inspiration well yeah I

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mean I have that I'm totally fine with

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that you know so it's just interesting

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how we applied the the stigma to

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different ways of packaging the idea

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yeah absolutely and I think

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I want to touch with a couple things you

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said there we want to get into the

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Christianity thing for a second because

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there's some really interesting nuances

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there

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about you know we're okay saying I was

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inspired or you know I had an Intuition

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or hunch right a gut hunch whatever

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we're very familiar with that and that's

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become okay in our culture right it's a

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narrative way to speak and we actually

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even mean kind of that you know somehow

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it's something of it beyond the normal

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way you would gather information through

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your usual senses or by reading it or

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something or hearing it

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but you know when you think about

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like the DSM you know the the manual to

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do with whether now someone gets

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diagnosed with a particular

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psychological condition or something

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what you'll find there is that there's a

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spectrum right and so somebody might be

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might have obsessive compulsive

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tendencies in fact most people might

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have some degree of that and whether or

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not you end up with a diagnosis really

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comes down to how disruptive it is to

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your life if it prevents you from living

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the life you'd want to a productive life

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according to how you would Define it

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then that's kind of when it goes into

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that territory but your everyone is is

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somewhere in the range though and it's a

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spectrum right so it's not like there's

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these black and white lines this person

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is obsessed with compulsive this person

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has absolutely none of that right and

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it's the same thing here that that the

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truth is

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every human being has some degree of

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psychic capacity again it's not just me

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saying because I like the idea but the

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research are people like Dean Rayden

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have made this abundantly clear and if

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anybody has doubts about any of their

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stuff I would say do a deep dive into

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Gene rayton's work look at his books

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he's very uh diligent about not only

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showing the the results he's come across

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and these have been very you know

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rigorous protocols applied to these but

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even the meta-analyzes of multiple

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studies which is even more trustworthy

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and it shows how much this really is the

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case

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but to your point about Christianity

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what's really interesting here is like

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you say there's there's some nuances to

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get into here we have to stop off here

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because this is such a regular style for

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us on the train route

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um

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because on the one hand as we've talked

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about it's very ironic that we are okay

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saying

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whether it's Moses or the Apostle Paul

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or Jesus or you know John the Baptist

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it's okay of those guys right

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uh have these you know profound

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experiences right they if they have

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these like Direct

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experiences of something Beyond right

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that's okay and then they end up talking

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about it it gets written down it gets

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kind of cataloged and turned into a

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series of uh do's and don'ts that become

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like the Eternal laws kind of thing that

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we all follow in other words by the time

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they get to us they're very safe and

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tame and unchanging

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but really that against is something

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more about us I think that we and this

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has kind of been demonstrated

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throughout the history of mankind that

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we we tend to not want the Untamed

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wildness of that direct experience of

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something Beyond something Sublime

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and

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to that point even though Christianity

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and other kinds of inspired religions

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began with those kinds of experiences of

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people

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Christianity later on conducted things

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like the Inquisition and which trials

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right and put to death huge numbers of

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people who showed the capacities that

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they could have these Sublime

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experiences and tap into something

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Beyond

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to the point where you can even see a

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dip in in psychic capacity across the

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civilization because of how many

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literally people were put to death in

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those kinds of things and so

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the thing we used to call the

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the means by which prophets worked

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suddenly became oh but if it's a witch

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or if it's uh you know someone who's not

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specifically giving either Christian

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doctrine or a very specific version of

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Christian doctrine that fits our

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particular view then it's it's from the

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devil right so in other words they do

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believe it's still coming from somewhere

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else but suddenly now they just go but

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it's it's dark it's not good it's from

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the devil right so rather than seeing

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that actually this is just something

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that's fundamental to Being Human in

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fact it's fundamental to being a

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sentient being that everything's

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connected and we can all tap into this

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and this has always been the case so

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it's a very interesting uh thing when

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you think about Christianity in the

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history and how it began and that it

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became the very thing that it that it

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railed against and even you know kill

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people over later on

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yeah I have certainly thinking about the

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funny way that an Orthodoxy develops and

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you know heresy uh it comes into that

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conversation and and that changes over

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time as well

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um but so much of that is tied to uh

554
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:05,880
this need for power and control not

555
00:21:12,110 --> 00:21:09,120
about what's really happening right and

556
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,120
so I think that that's um you know a

557
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:14,580
good lesson to learn uh from from

558
00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:17,820
Christianity when we if we apply that to

559
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,039
this top pick as well right because we

560
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,980
we tend to kind of in Camp you know we

561
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:25,020
kind of get into our little you know

562
00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:27,480
tribes are thinking about what can

563
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,700
happen or can't happen uh is possible

564
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:31,440
you know we set up the boundaries of

565
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:35,120
what is possible and what

566
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:39,179
this type of of knowledge or experience

567
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:42,780
or uh informational modality presents to

568
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:46,020
us is uh you know really is that kind of

569
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:47,640
uh

570
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,059
you know seed of of heresy or heterodoxy

571
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,039
that kind of just like it intersects

572
00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:55,440
into our normal way of being we have to

573
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:57,059
make room for that and if we're not

574
00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:58,679
making room for it well then we're going

575
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:00,419
to do what we've always done and that is

576
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,240
uh you know stamp it out as much as

577
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:05,520
possible you know plug our ears it's not

578
00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:07,559
a lot it's not happening and and that

579
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:08,760
that's certainly something that we've

580
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:12,240
seen with the rise of scientism uh you

581
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,799
know in the modern world is that you

582
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:15,480
know we'll know information can't come

583
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,059
to us in this way uh it just can't you

584
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:19,980
know that that's not something that can

585
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:23,700
happen so I'm you know it's impossible

586
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:25,620
um and yet The Impossible continues to

587
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:28,919
happen all the time uh and even those

588
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:31,860
that uh that kind of Proclaim that very

589
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,380
loudly you know this can't happen uh

590
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:36,600
they I think in the in the quiet of

591
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:39,000
their own lives find many experiences

592
00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:40,140
where

593
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,780
these kinds of things happen all of the

594
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:45,600
time and and imagine kind of living in

595
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:47,940
that life having to essentially like

596
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,580
negate that and and say well you know I

597
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:52,980
I'm denying a part of myself that is

598
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:56,100
very much real and experienced because

599
00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:57,780
it just doesn't fit within the model

600
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:00,840
that I have defined as as being true

601
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,960
right possible so so much of this is

602
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,760
that it's again we've talked about that

603
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,140
as many times but kind of the

604
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,539
possibility space

605
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,820
yeah and to your point there I think I

606
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:13,020
want to bring up something that's very

607
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,520
important I think will surprise some

608
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:16,320
people because we were just talking

609
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:18,419
about their how science wants to say

610
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,220
this is not possible

611
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:22,620
now what's very interesting is you can

612
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,260
actually see scientific proof or

613
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,539
evidence for these kind of giftings

614
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,000
through typical scientific meanings is

615
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:32,460
what I mean so for instance ions has

616
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:35,460
done studies where they look into people

617
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,900
who have psychic functioning versus

618
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:39,360
those who don't and first of all it's a

619
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:40,919
very very difficult to find people who

620
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:43,380
don't and there's a variety of reasons

621
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:45,179
or ways that they would sort of find

622
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:46,679
these two pools right so you've got your

623
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:48,360
control group and then you've got your

624
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,860
um your people who actually seem to have

625
00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:52,020
some some psychic capacity so they went

626
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:54,620
through and they found a group of people

627
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,440
who both had passed a battery of tests

628
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,600
that demonstrated they were good at you

629
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,000
know clear sentience Clairvoyance uh

630
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:05,580
different kinds of telekinesis all sorts

631
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,780
of different things demonstrating that

632
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:10,080
they really did have side capacity they

633
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,340
had to demonstrate it and they also

634
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:12,600
talked to people that knew them they had

635
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:14,220
to get you know sort of verified that

636
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:15,900
people had experiences with them kind of

637
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,400
thing so that's how they created the

638
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,080
group that would be demonstrating the

639
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:21,360
side capacity then it was very very

640
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:23,220
difficult to find people who didn't have

641
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,340
some memory of experiencing things in

642
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,320
non-conventional ways information in

643
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,360
non-conventional ways very very

644
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,400
difficult or at least an even more so to

645
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,500
find people who didn't have brothers or

646
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,600
sisters or mothers or fathers who also

647
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,760
hadn't had those experiences but they

648
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:40,740
eventually found a control group

649
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:42,600
and what they found was very interesting

650
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:45,299
it wasn't just that some people have

651
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,880
psychic capacities that was demonstrable

652
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:49,679
scientifically right with rigorous

653
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,240
protocols and plays people I want to

654
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,799
make this really clear is it not just

655
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:54,960
hearsay it's not just anecdotal evidence

656
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,440
right this is lab tested results with

657
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,480
rigorous protocols and most people that

658
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,460
are conducting parapsychological

659
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,840
research know that it's going to be

660
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:06,720
mopped and immediately dismissed so they

661
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,340
have some of the most rigorous protocols

662
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:10,320
you could find I don't think you'll be

663
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:13,320
able to convince me that Dean Raiden

664
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,240
doesn't do that for instance really set

665
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,520
up rigorous protocols but what they

666
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:19,440
found is not just that sure enough the

667
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:22,580
the people who were known to be psychic

668
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,620
achieved much better on these tests

669
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,080
did much better but on top of that they

670
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:29,940
can actually see differences in their

671
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:31,860
genetics they could see differences in

672
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,380
their brain so for instance

673
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:36,720
they would see evidence of a particular

674
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:38,700
chromosome

675
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,679
that had to do with what we have used to

676
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,419
consider junk DNA right that was what we

677
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,220
used to call it because we which again

678
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,679
is our hubris right we can't immediately

679
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:48,120
figure out what this is for so it's just

680
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,860
a bunch of stuff that's garbage right I

681
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:51,120
don't even know what's doing that right

682
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,159
and of course the more logical

683
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:54,960
conclusion is we just don't know enough

684
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:57,299
yet to know what it's doing right and so

685
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:58,919
sure enough for the recent years we've

686
00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:00,539
made progress we're beginning to

687
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,020
understand some of the ways that that

688
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,279
non-coding DNA is what it's called now

689
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,440
as opposed to junk DNA we've grown up a

690
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:09,659
little bit they recognize it can

691
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,860
influence the brain and the body but in

692
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,140
ways it's different than coding DNA and

693
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,600
so it's in that non-coding DNA that we

694
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,700
used to call junk DNA that we actually

695
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:23,340
see a difference in the brains of people

696
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,740
who have psychic capacity and even more

697
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,600
fascinatingly

698
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,520
the people who actually didn't have

699
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,559
second capacity they actually had a

700
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:33,659
mutation

701
00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:37,020
meaning that the original Human Genome

702
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:40,279
had this within it and it was a later

703
00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:43,799
mutation even possibly because of things

704
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,679
like inquisitions and witch trials that

705
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,960
actually eventually you had so many

706
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:52,080
people murdered that had those natural

707
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:53,640
capacities or part of the original

708
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,520
genome eliminated from the gene pool so

709
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:58,500
then people who had the mutation started

710
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,600
having kids with people who had that

711
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:02,880
same mutation and then we'd have a pool

712
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,940
of people who have this mutation

713
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,400
which makes them actually not as psychic

714
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,799
psychically capable which is really

715
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:12,900
fascinating when you think about it and

716
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:13,620
um

717
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:15,240
that not only this is something that

718
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,679
exists but actually this was the

719
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:18,600
original and and the people who don't

720
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:21,000
have this is more of a recent mutation

721
00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:23,940
and because a direct

722
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,820
um you know consequence of our

723
00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:27,600
persecuting of this thing that's

724
00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:30,860
actually natural to the human genome

725
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,919
that's uh so wrong to say the least that

726
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:36,779
we would of course then there are many

727
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:39,480
examples in our history where we have uh

728
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,960
you know selectively taken things out uh

729
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:45,840
that we just don't like we just just to

730
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:47,460
disagree with

731
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,000
um but it it does seem to be

732
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,279
as you said earlier something that we

733
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,559
all possess that everyone has some

734
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,440
degree of experience that can be

735
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:00,480
bucketed into what we would call

736
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:07,789
you know I find it interesting how

737
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,730
modern people kind of navigate their

738
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,720
life even though they've had these

739
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:14,400
experiences like how they kind of bucket

740
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,620
those experiences you know like segment

741
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:19,080
them from uh everything else that

742
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,059
happens you know so

743
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,460
um I mean I I you'd be hard-pressed to

744
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:25,679
find anyone I think if you really ask

745
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,860
them you know have you had any uh you

746
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,240
know like an intuition about somebody

747
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,760
that later turned out to be true have

748
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:35,760
you had a precognitive experience where

749
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:39,299
uh you knew something uh and then you

750
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:42,059
know not long after you you knew it you

751
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:44,820
learned it for the first time uh you

752
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:47,340
know through conventional means

753
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,400
um you know these experiences are I

754
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:53,220
would argue almost fundamental to to

755
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:54,900
Being Human

756
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,679
um and yet because they are so strange

757
00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:01,020
by the end the way that we have been

758
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:03,260
taught we can experience things

759
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,360
they're all just written off by our

760
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,100
science essentially is saying like well

761
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,080
that's just you know weird things happen

762
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,539
in the brain you know so since the

763
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,980
brain's just kind of some it's

764
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:16,320
mysterious we don't understand it all uh

765
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,700
so it can kind of just you know come up

766
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,399
with this stuff and and you know with

767
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,260
enough people doing enough thinking

768
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,179
weird things happen and that's just it's

769
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,860
almost like a rounding error to some

770
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,299
degree

771
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:30,179
um but if we were to kind of dig into

772
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,100
this in a serious way because there are

773
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:33,720
a lot of people who do study this and

774
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:37,260
and try to develop this ability you know

775
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,440
what are some different ways that that

776
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:42,960
that you know of that individuals try to

777
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:46,980
nurture uh and enhance this capacity

778
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,860
that we we seemingly all share

779
00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:52,080
it's a great question and I think there

780
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,399
are some very practical things people

781
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:56,159
can do and they're not all that you know

782
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:59,159
startling and uh you know big league in

783
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,419
some ways you can be getting some very

784
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:02,580
small ways

785
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,960
because

786
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,760
as we're saying this is something about

787
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,640
the fundamental nature of reality the

788
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,799
fundamental default condition of

789
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,000
humanity

790
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,059
so a lot of it is comes down to us just

791
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,799
being out of practice right or having a

792
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:18,659
muscle that we never exercise right if

793
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:21,480
you if you go to space and you don't

794
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,419
have to resist gravity right your your

795
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:26,279
muscles you know just go to nothing

796
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,380
right I mean you basically have to try

797
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:30,240
to create an artificial environment to

798
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,559
keep your muscles strong

799
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:34,080
well in the same way because of the you

800
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:35,399
know progress we've made as a

801
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:37,559
civilization we have a safety net and we

802
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,779
are not concerned generally that a

803
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,520
lion's going to come up from behind that

804
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:43,799
bush and devour us although I did have a

805
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:45,299
mountain lion chase me one time I will

806
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:46,440
say

807
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:50,640
um so that being the case you know we um

808
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:53,940
we tend to not rely on these capacities

809
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,220
right so I've mentioned before it's

810
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,080
worth mentioning again in this context

811
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:00,360
that joette Monical's talked about this

812
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:04,620
you know he has remarkable side capacity

813
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:07,980
and it's not coincidental from his point

814
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,779
of view it has a lot to do with the fact

815
00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:11,340
that he grew up on the main streets of

816
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,799
Miami where you needed to know what was

817
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:15,299
around that corner because it could be

818
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,380
life-threatening it could be a street

819
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,840
gang with knives so to keep he and his

820
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:20,820
sister safe he kind of developed this

821
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:23,460
sixth sense right and you know people in

822
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:25,020
parapsychology will actually talk about

823
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:26,340
we should really call it the first

824
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,899
sentence because it's actually the most

825
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:30,840
rooted aspect of who we are but again in

826
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,059
physicalism it's kind of been bad mouth

827
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:35,520
and you know excommunicated kind of

828
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,850
but the thing is

829
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:42,720
this is really about

830
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,539
being aware of how you receive

831
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,480
information in non-conventional ways

832
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,120
so the ways you can practice this

833
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,399
actually Discerning and feeling what

834
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,480
it's like when you feel like you're

835
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:56,940
getting information that is not typical

836
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,940
or conventional or prosaic is when you

837
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:01,919
go to make small decisions and you have

838
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:03,240
a couple options

839
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,020
sit with how each one feels

840
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:09,120
sit with it don't rush right I mean this

841
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,620
is part of the problem is our lives are

842
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:12,419
so busy our modern lives and the second

843
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:15,000
we get time off we want to stream media

844
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,399
content and we want to get on social

845
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,200
media and

846
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,880
I'm not saying those things are all bad

847
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:22,919
but I'm saying if you constantly fill

848
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:26,100
your life with activity then you're not

849
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,020
going to be able to drill down an

850
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:31,200
experience and grow these much more

851
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,000
subtle capacities because this is this

852
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,039
is to be clear this is a subtle level of

853
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,899
reality and one of the things I've been

854
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,340
practicing so practicing with someone

855
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:40,860
I'm really close to is being able to do

856
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,020
this at greater and greater degrees of

857
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,940
subtlety and what I've found is

858
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:46,559
astonishing and I really think that's

859
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,419
the right word is there doesn't seem to

860
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:50,159
be a limit the second you think you've

861
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,659
hit this limit of like there's another

862
00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:53,940
granular level we can go to here in

863
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:55,880
subtle understanding of this one

864
00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:58,880
millisecond has so much information

865
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,380
packed into it and we just rush past it

866
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:03,720
right on the kind of one single level

867
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:06,059
kind of way one-dimensional but if you

868
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,500
can stop and you can feel into it

869
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:08,640
especially if you can do it with someone

870
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:13,080
like I was doing with her where we could

871
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,419
basically telepathically have this

872
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:18,360
experience of unpacking this moment and

873
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:20,299
it created this kind of resonant field

874
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,179
where it held the moment in stasis so we

875
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,919
could suddenly like look around it like

876
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:27,360
it's a room and it was an amazing

877
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:29,820
experience and I've never quite had that

878
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,519
degree of experience so that is to say

879
00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:34,500
all of us can not only experience this

880
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:36,440
but we can continue to grow it and have

881
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,899
increasingly phenomenal experiences but

882
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:41,460
if even if you've never done this before

883
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:44,519
just Begin by when you go and you look

884
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,779
in the fridge should I eat this or

885
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,940
should I eat that yes part of it might

886
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,380
be you know and my doctor said that's

887
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:51,240
high cholesterol I shouldn't do that but

888
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:52,440
there might be something else right

889
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,880
there might be something else beyond

890
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:56,039
what you've been taught or read kind of

891
00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,200
thing that makes you think actually this

892
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,659
over that or if you're thinking about

893
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:02,220
moving to some place right like even

894
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:04,200
I've talked about this one of the ways

895
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,460
you can sort of trick yourself into

896
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,200
having this experience

897
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,000
because we're so conditioned to think

898
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,159
that everything is is rational and based

899
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,440
on justification and you know Pro con

900
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:15,480
list kind of thing we've mentioned this

901
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:17,099
before so you sort of picture yourself

902
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,760
moving to one of two cities right and

903
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,520
rather than sitting down and writing up

904
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,200
this pros and cons list while I like the

905
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:27,119
weather here but I like the traffic here

906
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,139
right

907
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,359
actually picture yourself there three

908
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,980
months from now you wake up in the

909
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,240
morning

910
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:36,599
stretch look around how do you feel like

911
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,700
try to place your Consciousness in that

912
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:40,800
moment and by doing that you will

913
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:43,500
actually pull out information whether

914
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,200
it's subconscious or you know meta

915
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,720
conscious that is saying something about

916
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,460
how you really interact with that

917
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:52,740
possibility that will demonstrate to you

918
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,659
that you can access information that's

919
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:56,339
not prosaic that's not conventional

920
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:00,060
that's not determined by your your usual

921
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:01,320
senses

922
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:04,920
so this is a this is key slow down take

923
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:07,560
time notice how you have reactions to

924
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,700
things

925
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,640
feel your body this is another one a new

926
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:13,740
one that I came across recently is was

927
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,920
um telesomatic uh experiences and this

928
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,960
is basically where people can get a

929
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:21,599
stomach ache because their brother or

930
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:23,339
their lover has a stomachache kind of

931
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:24,780
thing and so they actually experience

932
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:26,760
not just a gut instinct but they

933
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,700
actually take on the physical symptoms

934
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:30,900
of someone they're close to or something

935
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:32,220
like that

936
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,880
so we want to slow down we want to I

937
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,380
have said this before ideally practice

938
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:40,800
meditation right find ways to shut down

939
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,619
the usual default thinking mode and by

940
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,540
doing that

941
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:47,460
our Consciousness begins to expand

942
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,859
outside of the the usual borders that

943
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,599
has been uh you know narrowly defined

944
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:53,820
within and then you begin to pick up

945
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:57,119
additional information so

946
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,220
people often think oh man how I do this

947
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:01,619
it seems so difficult really a lot of

948
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,060
the times it comes down to getting out

949
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,480
of our own way so by by meditating by by

950
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,880
just choosing to sit still and yes the

951
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:10,380
monkey brain for a while is going to go

952
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,700
go go right I'm not going to think about

953
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:13,020
this I've got this meeting tomorrow I

954
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:14,220
got to get this done I gotta get

955
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,540
groceries

956
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:17,460
but if you sit there long enough then

957
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,940
you just watch it as a as a witness

958
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,220
without judging it without trying to

959
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,320
stop it just let it run its course

960
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,420
eventually it will run its course

961
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,800
because you're not paying attention

962
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,540
you're not interacting with it

963
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:32,700
eventually it'll seem like it'll take a

964
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,020
while sometimes for people first getting

965
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,119
into this but eventually the monkey mind

966
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:37,920
will stop chattering because she stopped

967
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,859
talking to it and then you will suddenly

968
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,440
find that when bad is out of your way

969
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,420
your Consciousness will naturally begin

970
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,920
to expand and you'll start picking up

971
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,440
more and more things so it can begin by

972
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,480
you know meditation practices but then

973
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,940
even as we walk around the world just

974
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,859
pay attention to what's in your body pay

975
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:58,140
attention to when you get a gut instinct

976
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:59,700
what is that and I would like to sit

977
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,220
with it and as we begin to notice these

978
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,140
things we immediately begin to grow in

979
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:06,000
our capacities and then as we really

980
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,040
begin to exercise that that we really

981
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,680
can uh you know demonstrate some

982
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:12,800
increased capacity over time

983
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,420
yeah I want to revisit the word and the

984
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,800
definition that we use and that's

985
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:18,960
receptive and so you're not only being

986
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,740
open to what could happen so there's a

987
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:25,200
general openness that we've touched on

988
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,260
here that this is possible but also

989
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,420
being receptive in the sense that you're

990
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:32,880
receiving information from somewhere

991
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:36,119
else so it really is kind of both ways

992
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,220
of looking at it and if you follow

993
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,800
anyone who's you know going to try to do

994
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,500
this or develop this skill uh you know

995
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:45,960
being receptive is a huge aspect to

996
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,740
their practice that this can happen I

997
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:51,180
want to touch on another kind of

998
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:52,980
modality as well

999
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:56,040
and that's you know and we we you have

1000
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,420
touched on this a little bit and that's

1001
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,760
through meditation but there are Altered

1002
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:01,440
States Of Consciousness that we can get

1003
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:04,800
into uh through not only meditation but

1004
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:08,339
also things like psychedelics and uh you

1005
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:10,020
know we've seen plenty of examples of

1006
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,579
individuals that have had those

1007
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,140
experiences where things have happened

1008
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,420
to them uh that that they can't quite

1009
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,880
explain through a conventional means and

1010
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:20,339
I'll offer a recent anecdote of my own

1011
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,940
so I was able to experience uh like a a

1012
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,560
really amazing altered state of

1013
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,780
consciousness with a good friend of mine

1014
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:29,880
also in the mountains not not too far

1015
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,940
from your cabin in fact and uh

1016
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,320
you know one of the interesting things

1017
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,960
about that experience was well there

1018
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,640
were several interesting things about it

1019
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:40,320
but there are two that I want to touch

1020
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:42,300
on that I think tie directly into this

1021
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:43,260
topic

1022
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:47,579
so one is a more abstract uh experience

1023
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:49,380
and then one is a concrete one so the

1024
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,680
abstract one that I had in this state

1025
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:55,380
was

1026
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,960
a sense that the way in which we know

1027
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:59,760
things the way that we think we know

1028
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:02,880
things about the world uh is not really

1029
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,300
how we know things that that knowledge

1030
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:09,599
instead is

1031
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,660
essentially all around us ever present

1032
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:14,820
to us and from like we are we are

1033
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,200
traveling through a uh

1034
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,599
uh kind of like a

1035
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,700
a medium of information like it just

1036
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:25,619
permeates everything about reality

1037
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,540
information is everywhere and we can

1038
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,820
access that information at any point in

1039
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:32,040
time that we want to it's just there

1040
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,960
it's just it's we just had to be present

1041
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,000
to that information and we can access

1042
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:38,760
that and then it's only after accessing

1043
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,339
the information and understanding it do

1044
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:44,339
we then kind of go back around and we

1045
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:47,820
say well I learned this through uh this

1046
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,099
sort of conventional way of learning and

1047
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,579
so we we kind of slap onto our our

1048
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,640
intuition or our knowing with uh with

1049
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,040
sort of this uh you know schoolyard kind

1050
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,079
of I I learned it because I learned fact

1051
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:03,839
a b and c and then and put those

1052
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,359
together and I'm gonna get D you know

1053
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,220
that's the way that I really understood

1054
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,839
so that was an interesting Insight that

1055
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,980
I had

1056
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:13,200
in that moment but the other one that

1057
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,220
was really the concrete example was uh

1058
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:20,160
you know in this experience out of

1059
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:21,900
nowhere basically I don't know where

1060
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,460
this came from

1061
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,400
um I the thought entered my mind about

1062
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:29,040
my graduate school and I was just kind

1063
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:30,540
of like well I wonder what's happening

1064
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,700
with my graduate school you know it's

1065
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,040
been gosh it's been almost 20 years now

1066
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:37,140
since I finished that program wonder

1067
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,579
what they're up to wonder what the

1068
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,380
campus looks like I wonder if any of my

1069
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,240
professors are still there you know

1070
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,220
thoughts that I just never have ever

1071
00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:46,980
about that because it's been so long and

1072
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:49,339
I don't stay in touch with them either

1073
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,140
and after I kind of come out of this

1074
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:54,000
experience as altered state I'm just

1075
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,560
like going through my phone like anybody

1076
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:57,420
else would like you said we like to

1077
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:59,099
check those things and kind of fill our

1078
00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:00,599
time and I'm going through and looking

1079
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:02,520
at my email and the very first email

1080
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:05,220
that I have my inbox is an email from my

1081
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,339
graduate school asking me to complete a

1082
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:11,400
survey for that graduating class here

1083
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,020
hey we want to you know find out what

1084
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,720
our alumni are up to from this year it's

1085
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:17,160
been a long time since we've heard from

1086
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,320
you fill out the survey let us know what

1087
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,260
you're doing I mean so that completely

1088
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:24,480
blew my mind uh in terms of an

1089
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:26,520
experience that I had never had and and

1090
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:29,400
it was very precognitive and you better

1091
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:31,560
believe I filled out that survey and I

1092
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:33,000
put in some weird things in the survey

1093
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:34,020
response that they probably weren't

1094
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:36,599
expecting but uh you know it's a good

1095
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:40,200
example of of something that happened in

1096
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:42,060
my own personal experience where this

1097
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,200
information

1098
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,500
just came to me okay it was present to

1099
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:50,400
me and I decided to be present to it uh

1100
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,160
it was just there and I had did not

1101
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,020
learn it through any normal means of

1102
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,640
acquiring information so I thought that

1103
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,680
was pretty interesting

1104
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,480
yeah and you're reminding me of an

1105
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:02,520
experience that we had recently when you

1106
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:04,619
were telling me about that experience so

1107
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:07,260
to sort of frame this for people again

1108
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:08,940
there's a lot of different topics that

1109
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:09,900
are kind of

1110
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:12,119
fall under this General umbrella about

1111
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,220
you know PSY and

1112
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:17,040
you know non-conventional kind of means

1113
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,859
of experience but also of knowledge and

1114
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:21,720
again will eventually get to how this

1115
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:23,640
plays into reality like what is it about

1116
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,859
reality that makes these things possible

1117
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,560
but another one that factors in here is

1118
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,920
synchronicity right that um

1119
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,200
then this world is not exactly what it

1120
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,900
seems to be and that you could call it a

1121
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,640
kind of Matrix kind of situation or kind

1122
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:40,619
of a derivative

1123
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:43,380
um byproduct of some deeper structure of

1124
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,060
reality and I've talked about this

1125
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,820
before again you know there's physicists

1126
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:50,280
like Nema or Kani Hamed who've been

1127
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,140
researching this who are actually even

1128
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,680
making progress in beginning to have a

1129
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:58,079
glimpses into this deeper structure of

1130
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,180
reality that we don't ever interact with

1131
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:02,160
directly at least usually because as you

1132
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:03,900
say so through some of these

1133
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,359
non-conventional states I think we can

1134
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:08,400
but in our usual default mode we

1135
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,020
generally don't

1136
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,540
but if there is a deeper structure of

1137
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,160
reality of which this is basically just

1138
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,099
the derivative byproduct of then that

1139
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,560
would mean that

1140
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:21,660
the more you're in touch with something

1141
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,920
deeper

1142
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,020
the more you might begin to see strange

1143
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:27,480
things appear here

1144
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:30,300
not because the stage is here but

1145
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,740
because this is a derivative of

1146
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:34,020
something deeper so that I think that's

1147
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,339
what's happening with synchronicity I've

1148
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:36,960
talked about this before I think

1149
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,060
tomorrow Consciousness is engaged to the

1150
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,180
more that we really are able to

1151
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,060
through a growth in consciousness

1152
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,400
exceed the boundaries of space and time

1153
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,339
in the usual default mode we impact that

1154
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:52,680
deeper structure in more substantive

1155
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,380
ways and because of that we see as a

1156
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:57,420
byproduct strange things occurring in

1157
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,780
this reality right this Matrix this

1158
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:03,000
physical reality as we call it and I

1159
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,020
think a lot of times that's what

1160
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,140
synchronicity is uh you know Carl Ewing

1161
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,240
had a someone similar idea that the

1162
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:11,700
basically physical reality is the other

1163
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,260
side of the coin of the collective

1164
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,880
unconscious right that there are two

1165
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,400
sides of the same coin ultimately but if

1166
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:18,960
you remember you were telling me about

1167
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:21,540
this I think around this time we were

1168
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:24,119
having pizza and beer and well I had a

1169
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:25,980
beer I don't think you did anyway

1170
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,619
um and I was we were talking about our

1171
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,940
histories and I had mentioned to you

1172
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:31,740
this thing about you know when I was a

1173
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:34,140
kid my parents bought a Volkswagen

1174
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,640
vanity traveled across North America

1175
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,560
after like a year you know camping in

1176
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,660
this van it was like very hippie and

1177
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,220
very cool and I I have such great

1178
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:43,560
experiences of that uh from that and I

1179
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:45,300
looked behind you like over your head

1180
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:47,339
and in a parking lot across the street

1181
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:50,460
you're just the exact yellow Volkswagen

1182
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:53,339
van 70s Edition

1183
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:56,220
um European model that was the very van

1184
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:58,980
that we drove across North America in so

1185
00:45:02,089 --> 00:45:00,359
that was I'm like you're not gonna

1186
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:02,099
believe this Nathan but look behind you

1187
00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:03,960
and and that's exactly what I'm talking

1188
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:06,119
about you know it's it's not about magic

1189
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,900
it's about that somehow Ultimate Reality

1190
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,720
is not this and sometimes when we really

1191
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:14,760
are expanding our Consciousness we had

1192
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:16,200
just been talking about that right with

1193
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,819
your experience of an expanded

1194
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:19,440
Consciousness State and then this

1195
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,579
happens right after that I think it's

1196
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:22,380
all all connected

1197
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:25,079
yeah and uh and I want to I want to

1198
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:26,160
follow this a little bit further too

1199
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:27,180
because

1200
00:45:33,309 --> 00:45:30,119
it's not a sign that you should go and

1201
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,319
research vintage Volkswagen Vance

1202
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:35,640
because a lot of people will construe it

1203
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,079
to be that like oh I had this

1204
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,020
synchronicity and that means that the

1205
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:43,140
Universe wants me to study whatever it

1206
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:46,440
is that that synchronous experience with

1207
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,740
perhaps I mean it could be that but more

1208
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,900
than likely it's not that what it really

1209
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,599
is though is it's pointing toward this

1210
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:57,119
deeper layer of reality that you've

1211
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,839
described that that should tell us the

1212
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:02,640
way in which we think things are

1213
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:03,720
happening

1214
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:08,579
way that we experience the world isn't

1215
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,640
uh as neat and tidy and clean as what

1216
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:13,560
we've been taught about how things work

1217
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,740
these are little hints that they're

1218
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:18,720
they're worth exploring not that you

1219
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,819
should devote your you know energy to

1220
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:22,680
the the ins and outs of vintage

1221
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:25,920
Volkswagens but you should explore

1222
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:28,619
you know what it means if this

1223
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,040
experience is possible in the face of

1224
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:34,319
what you have been told is possible

1225
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:38,280
and I think once you begin doing that it

1226
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:39,960
again all comes back to this kind of

1227
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,619
receptivity notion this openness idea a

1228
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,599
lot of other things begin to enter into

1229
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:48,720
the equation and and I want to kind of

1230
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:51,780
now direct this conversation into you

1231
00:46:57,609 --> 00:46:55,020
know how uh channeling and receiving

1232
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:57,619
information from unconventional means

1233
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,839
ties into the the phenomena you know

1234
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,060
what what what what does this mean and

1235
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,480
how do we make sense of uh channeled

1236
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,079
material for example or uh you know

1237
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,180
other things that we're hearing about in

1238
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,760
in the ufological circles that you know

1239
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,500
that this experience doesn't seem to

1240
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:18,960
jive with this one and you know how

1241
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:21,060
could they be disharminists you know

1242
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,099
like how do we how do we work this out

1243
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,619
so how do you fit this way of

1244
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:27,960
experiencing and knowing and and this

1245
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,370
well I'm going to begin by saying it's

1246
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,700
complex

1247
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,680
I say that fairly regularly on this show

1248
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,560
it seems even discombobulating perhaps

1249
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:42,839
no there we go

1250
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,819
um

1251
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:47,400
because I think people might want to you

1252
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,839
know make it a black or white issue and

1253
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:50,819
say look either channeling is as

1254
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,880
completely accurate reliable means of

1255
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:55,980
obtaining information like you know

1256
00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:58,740
doing a Google search or it's hogwash

1257
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,839
and people's delusion or you know

1258
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,240
delusions of grandeur or whatever you

1259
00:48:06,609 --> 00:48:04,980
know and I think it's just more

1260
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:06,619
complicated than that there's so many

1261
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:09,960
nuances and layers to reality and to our

1262
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:11,720
own personas for that for that matter

1263
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,420
that all of these are factors in what

1264
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,170
so yes as you say some people will be

1265
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,339
like well if if channeling is accurate

1266
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,680
and reliable why did this channeling

1267
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,119
group get one result and this other

1268
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:29,400
challenging group got another result

1269
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:31,140
well because

1270
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,819
there's numerous things going on number

1271
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,220
one we should say because I want to

1272
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,720
cover the gamut here so people feel like

1273
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:39,180
we've adequately addressed this there

1274
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:41,460
are some channels that probably just is

1275
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,460
hogwash that uh either want

1276
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,920
to say something that will get people's

1277
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,960
attention so they can Garner fame or

1278
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,400
Fortune perhaps their thinking or

1279
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,599
whatever

1280
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:53,339
absolutely there are some people like

1281
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:54,359
that

1282
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,859
there are other people who genuinely

1283
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,119
think they're getting something but

1284
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,280
perhaps they just are accessing their

1285
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,099
their imagination or they are you know

1286
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:03,119
just pulling something from their

1287
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,160
subconscious perhaps because they're not

1288
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:08,220
very self-aware they might have elements

1289
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,720
come up that feel like it's coming from

1290
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,579
Beyond them when actually it is actually

1291
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,680
from them they're just not very fully

1292
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:15,599
integrated as an individual that can

1293
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,750
there's also a degree to which all of us

1294
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:24,000
I would pause it have a higher self that

1295
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,619
we are multi-dimensional beings

1296
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:28,140
ourselves so absolutely sometimes the

1297
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,400
information we're getting is from

1298
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:31,980
another aspect of ourselves and we

1299
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,720
sometimes think about it like the future

1300
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,400
but again space time is not what we

1301
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:37,200
think it is I don't think really it's

1302
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:38,700
the future that's not the best way to

1303
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,339
think about it but it is an aspect of

1304
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,380
you that has more information that kind

1305
00:49:49,069 --> 00:49:46,260
of simultaneously is co-orizing with you

1306
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:49,079
in this particular condition and can

1307
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:51,240
actually interact with you in ways that

1308
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,859
can that can change your behavior and

1309
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,900
hopefully influence your behavior and I

1310
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:57,420
think most people again maybe if they if

1311
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,859
they've never even thought about it this

1312
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:59,760
way

1313
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:01,260
when they really sit down and think

1314
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:03,060
about it they'll be you know if we call

1315
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,980
it you know our better Angels right or

1316
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,200
like an angel and a demon or sitting on

1317
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:09,599
my shoulders which one do I listen to

1318
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,579
this is the kind of conception or

1319
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,980
metaphor that's been used over time

1320
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,960
and certainly that sometimes can be

1321
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,940
because there are other entities but

1322
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:20,460
sometimes that's also different aspects

1323
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:22,440
of ourselves that we're wrestling with

1324
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:24,300
and trying to determine what we should

1325
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,500
do

1326
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:28,260
even science would tell you that the two

1327
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:30,300
hemispheres of our brain are almost like

1328
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,980
two different personas

1329
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,720
you could have a situation where if

1330
00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,400
you're able to

1331
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:37,619
through certain conditions set up an

1332
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,819
environment where you can basically

1333
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:40,920
speak to one half of the brain

1334
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,740
you'll find that that brain that Persona

1335
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:46,079
from that brain might be an atheist the

1336
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,640
other hemisphere might demonstrate

1337
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,700
strong religious fervor right in the

1338
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,559
same brain two different hemispheres and

1339
00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:54,420
somehow we harmonize it through the

1340
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,300
corpus callosum this sense of I'm an

1341
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:59,280
individual I'm a harmonized being so

1342
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,660
we're already doing this we already see

1343
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:02,880
evidence of this already that we're kind

1344
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,339
of hybrid beings in that sense and I'm

1345
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,839
saying that because there's so much

1346
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:09,839
evidence that Consciousness is non-local

1347
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:12,300
it's not not only is it not produced by

1348
00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:14,099
the physical brain and then the neural

1349
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,859
neural network of your brain but neither

1350
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:18,780
is it you know held there kind of thing

1351
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,079
so you can sort of keep scaling out and

1352
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:24,300
go further and further and ultimately as

1353
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:25,319
we already said

1354
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:28,260
everything from any space in any time is

1355
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:30,119
available to all of us now we might not

1356
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,859
be able to practically do that yet or

1357
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:34,380
access those degrees of information yet

1358
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,359
but it's hypothetically possible

1359
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:38,700
theoretically possible

1360
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:40,140
so

1361
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:42,420
I've already mentioned several ways that

1362
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:44,040
a certain channeling experience or

1363
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,420
something claimed to be channeling might

1364
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,460
not actually be or might be but it's

1365
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:49,200
it's a higher version of yourself or

1366
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:50,579
something

1367
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,980
because really we're talking about

1368
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,960
somehow getting into some sort of

1369
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:57,180
condition where something beyond your

1370
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,980
usual understanding of yourself is

1371
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:00,720
sending information and it's coming

1372
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,700
through you that you're you're kind of a

1373
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,859
conduit for it in some ways whether you

1374
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:06,180
keep it yourself or share it with other

1375
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,200
people

1376
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,420
now the next one of course is the

1377
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,720
possibility of other kinds of beings and

1378
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:14,579
so some people again getting back to

1379
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,200
people's preconditions and their

1380
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,760
preconceptions and their models of

1381
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,680
reality so you might have some people

1382
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:22,140
who like a medium for instance that is

1383
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,640
completely coupled with the notion that

1384
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,160
they can commune with supposedly

1385
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,599
deceased people

1386
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,520
but they might be totally unfamiliar

1387
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,859
maybe freaked out by or think it's

1388
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,540
Preposterous that it could be alien

1389
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,760
intelligences so they just assume that

1390
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:37,260
everything they're receiving is is

1391
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:38,760
deceased humans they're actually not

1392
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,780
deceased right they're in a different

1393
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,940
modality

1394
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,980
and I think that does happen absolutely

1395
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,500
I've seen remarkable evidence of that

1396
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,540
again look to Dean rayden's work look to

1397
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,220
reincarnation studies there's so much

1398
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,859
evidence of this that that death of

1399
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,480
course is not the end

1400
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:55,980
you know nothing can be further from the

1401
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,300
truth really when you look at the

1402
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:59,579
evidence so absolutely we should

1403
00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:00,780
therefore expect that we're going to be

1404
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,339
able to have information across that

1405
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,500
that boundary that's that's actually not

1406
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,940
this black and white line like we

1407
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:06,960
thought it was

1408
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:09,059
but then it goes even further that there

1409
00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:10,920
of course are many different kinds of

1410
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,319
intelligences in the cosmos let's start

1411
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,119
with the sort of extraterrestrial kind

1412
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:17,520
that are basically 3D like us they live

1413
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:19,559
in the most of the time they exist in

1414
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:21,720
this sort of matrix-like construct that

1415
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,880
we call physical reality

1416
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,800
they can interact with us some of the

1417
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:27,839
historical cases in the UFO phenomenon

1418
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,540
are those kinds of beings they seem to

1419
00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:32,220
have mostly technological craft even

1420
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,859
even if it's a you know further uh

1421
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,359
iteration than what we are able to

1422
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:38,700
produce but they're basically 3D

1423
00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:42,359
biological beings that also uh not only

1424
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,059
have more technological sophistication

1425
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:47,339
than us but they also seem to be further

1426
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,559
along in understanding Consciousness to

1427
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,240
the part where almost like a technology

1428
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,520
they're able to interact with our

1429
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:54,900
Consciousness and I've come across

1430
00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:57,720
evidence that this is both a purely like

1431
00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:00,059
line to mind thing and there's also

1432
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:02,099
actually Tech that has been developed

1433
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,619
that can manipulate perception and

1434
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,780
Consciousness we're already seeing signs

1435
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:08,220
of you know us trying to do that right

1436
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:09,960
like Elon Musk is trying to put a

1437
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:12,839
brainship in in and tests how that would

1438
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,240
augment our capacities right so some of

1439
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:17,579
these others are able to do that not

1440
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:19,980
only with their

1441
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,579
higher Fidelity ability to interact with

1442
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,440
all of reality which is ultimately all

1443
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:27,119
Consciousness right we'll get to that in

1444
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,859
a minute but they've also developed

1445
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,960
technology that can also harness the

1446
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,119
powers of Consciousness and that partly

1447
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:34,319
explains why we have such strange

1448
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:37,079
experiences with them and they can mold

1449
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:39,240
our behavior and our reactions a week

1450
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,220
sometimes can't distinguish it from an

1451
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:44,160
Impulse that arises in our mind normally

1452
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,140
and then you have another Step Beyond

1453
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:48,180
that where you have different kinds of

1454
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:49,740
dimensional beings you kind of have the

1455
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,500
astral field right which is in solely is

1456
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,839
part of our physical Majors experience

1457
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,579
that there's a there's an astral element

1458
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:58,319
to that a field that kind of like is

1459
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,380
part of that uh a sort of an add-on we

1460
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:03,240
also have entities that exist on that

1461
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,920
kind of field that we can also have

1462
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:07,260
interactions with and that as I said

1463
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,180
many times this is where our own energy

1464
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:11,700
really matters and us being Discerning

1465
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,980
about our own energy because the the

1466
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,079
default energy we kind of emit like a

1467
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,480
light bulb into the cosmos even the

1468
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,099
interdimensional cosmos and even the

1469
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,040
astral aspects of the cosmos

1470
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,140
will attract different entities to us

1471
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:27,780
and so if we're projecting a lot of fear

1472
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,119
or shame or something within these kind

1473
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,160
of viral agents can kind of attach to us

1474
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,980
just like if we have a weak immune

1475
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,540
system and we get exposed of some sort

1476
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:38,760
of virus so there's those elements that

1477
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,940
also can impact us and and and we end up

1478
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:43,980
channeling some sort of other kind of

1479
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,800
entity and other kind of intelligence or

1480
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,480
knowledge because of it

1481
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,400
maybe even to the part where we get you

1482
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:53,160
know aggravated and kind of seem

1483
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,740
irritable it can because because one of

1484
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:57,780
these things right

1485
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,460
and then you go even further and you've

1486
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:01,319
got like the multi-dimensional aspects

1487
00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:03,180
of reality where some of these beings

1488
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:05,579
are post biological they're really not

1489
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:10,800
3D beings at all anymore and they can

1490
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,800
get here or get anywhere just by thought

1491
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,079
alone they can manifest structures

1492
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,319
through thought forms they can interact

1493
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:22,079
with our Consciousness seamlessly they

1494
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:23,940
can actually interact with every

1495
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,700
consciousness of every sentient being in

1496
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:28,680
the history of the cosmos they could

1497
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:31,380
access those elements of

1498
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:34,020
data to do with any space any time like

1499
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,700
the akashic record or the cosmic memory

1500
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:37,200
they can do all of that

1501
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,800
and they also can can be channeled by us

1502
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:42,660
as well and I think sometimes some of

1503
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:44,520
these ones and I kind of pointed to this

1504
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,660
before

1505
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,040
and I'm going to turn over to you then

1506
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:48,960
I've gone for a long time here

1507
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,200
but these ones actually look at us like

1508
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,760
little brothers and sisters and they

1509
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:55,140
know that we're the kind of kindergarten

1510
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:56,339
class we've got to grow our

1511
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:57,660
Consciousness we're real really

1512
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,359
primitive in many ways

1513
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:02,280
and this is what happens with all these

1514
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:04,020
kind of consciousnesses across the

1515
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:05,940
cosmos all these civilizations

1516
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,740
going through this sort of Elementary

1517
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:10,319
kind of physical

1518
00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:12,359
um really primitive kind of experience

1519
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:14,760
of reality is part of growing up and I'm

1520
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:16,140
talking about growing up as a

1521
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:17,480
multi-dimensional

1522
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:20,040
multi-lifetime multi-iterative iterative

1523
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:23,579
kind of being right but they will

1524
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:26,099
inspire us so getting back to the very

1525
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:27,540
beginning our conversation we talked

1526
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:28,619
about people being inspired

1527
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,500
technologically or

1528
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,000
mathematically or musically right or

1529
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,220
just writing some sort of amazing Arc

1530
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:38,700
right or painting or writing a play all

1531
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,099
these things can also be inspired by

1532
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,960
them and everything in between that I

1533
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,599
talked about in a way to held Lewis

1534
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:47,400
forward and they do it in such a way

1535
00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:49,740
that we like quite deliberately so that

1536
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:51,780
we won't know it's them because they

1537
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,880
they're kind of the hands-off let's

1538
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:55,920
Inspire them let's let them play let's

1539
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,020
let them learn and we're better off

1540
00:58:01,849 --> 00:58:00,000
letting them do that without being aware

1541
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:01,859
of this greater context and then

1542
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,300
eventually they'll get to the part where

1543
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,640
they can sort of join with the cosmic

1544
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,859
community so I would suggest all of

1545
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,480
those layers are involved and all of

1546
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,520
those factors

1547
00:58:14,809 --> 00:58:13,440
yeah that's that's fantastic and you

1548
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,819
kind of landed where I was going to go

1549
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:17,280
anyway so it's in great Diane and that's

1550
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,660
the in my opinion there's uh

1551
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,520
there's a very personal quality to

1552
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:25,500
reality and then there's also a very

1553
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,160
trans personal quality to it and that

1554
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:31,920
but both of these things are true that

1555
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:35,460
that reality in our experience is is

1556
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:37,740
meant for us

1557
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,099
but but our awareness is also it can

1558
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:43,799
exceed our bounds as well and and become

1559
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,680
transpersonal and and so I think when

1560
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,599
we're talking about because I think one

1561
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,400
of the things people might react

1562
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:52,500
negatively toward here

1563
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:55,020
is that information received from

1564
00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:59,280
something other than me the self feels

1565
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,319
like it's not like you're saying you're

1566
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:03,540
robbing me of my agency to be the

1567
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:06,059
creative in the situation right so I

1568
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:07,559
didn't create this song it came from

1569
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,900
some other intelligence and uh it wasn't

1570
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:11,880
me at all I don't think that's what

1571
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,319
we're saying here I think this is and

1572
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,599
this is a difficult concept to really in

1573
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:17,579
my opinion in a way like wrap your head

1574
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:21,000
all around because it's uh we're hyper

1575
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:23,819
individualistic in the way that we think

1576
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:25,799
um but what we're kind of getting at

1577
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,059
here is that that reality itself is

1578
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,440
you know is

1579
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:33,780
is comprised of this deep well of

1580
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,579
information of which we are a part of

1581
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,799
we're kind of swimming through that and

1582
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,319
it's it's a it's a part it's a process

1583
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:43,680
of growth of that of that awareness of

1584
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:46,440
that sort of uh constituted awareness in

1585
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:50,099
that sea of information and if our if

1586
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,260
our personal awareness is really narrow

1587
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:54,480
right if it's um

1588
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:57,960
if it's defined in a very narrow kind of

1589
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:00,359
tight beamed way around our notion of

1590
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:03,000
self and and and what we're you know

1591
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,920
we're doing everything and this is all

1592
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:07,200
about me then you have what you often

1593
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,700
have with like I think of this as a

1594
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:10,260
child who's who's playing like an

1595
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,180
imaginary game right

1596
01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:14,099
um it's meaningful to the child but to

1597
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:15,720
the rest of everyone else it doesn't

1598
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:17,940
have any meaning or value whatsoever

1599
01:00:22,329 --> 01:00:20,099
because their sphere of awareness

1600
01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:22,339
understanding is just it's it's

1601
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,119
hyper-individualized it's right where

1602
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:26,280
they are and and they've constructed

1603
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:28,740
this world around them but as their

1604
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:31,859
sphere of awareness grows over time and

1605
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,220
using that word Loosely as well

1606
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,000
um as as that expands out

1607
01:00:43,789 --> 01:00:40,799
the the way in which information is

1608
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,799
received it's its ability to interact

1609
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:46,079
with the broader sort of uh field of

1610
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,380
information all of those Dynamics grow

1611
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:51,839
and change in ways that that that

1612
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:55,140
transcend that individual self and and

1613
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:59,460
become you know bigger grander deeper uh

1614
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,980
so that your even your notion of self is

1615
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,319
is changing and that that's really what

1616
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,420
we're on this journey of of doing right

1617
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:09,720
this this we're sort of discovering that

1618
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:12,420
that this is an aspect of our of

1619
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,760
ourselves or an ax an aspect of

1620
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:16,559
existence if you want to put it that way

1621
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:20,880
that we are becoming aware of over time

1622
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:24,660
as we progress through this journey

1623
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,579
um and so I you know I thought it'd be

1624
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,440
good to kind of just sort of talk

1625
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:30,299
through that a little bit because I

1626
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,799
think a lot of folks might have a

1627
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:33,599
knee-jerk reaction to some of this and

1628
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:36,780
just thinking well hey where am I in all

1629
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:38,819
the the story if information is just

1630
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:41,099
coming from other places then

1631
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:44,040
what is the part that I play in this

1632
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,829
you're right that that's that's really

1633
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,880
where you have to go here and I think we

1634
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,040
have to address that as well and that's

1635
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:54,480
why it's great that we have this

1636
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:56,099
90-minute format for these episodes

1637
01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:58,380
because it's it's a

1638
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:01,980
there I say complex matter and um

1639
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:03,900
you really have to sort of ease yourself

1640
01:02:09,370 --> 01:02:06,900
into it and be willing to

1641
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,380
upset and reconsider some of your

1642
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,520
presuppositions about reality right and

1643
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:14,400
about even who I am what does that mean

1644
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,680
right

1645
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:17,760
there's a couple things I want to get

1646
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:19,740
here too so don't let me forget these

1647
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:22,200
one has to do with a direct kind of

1648
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,540
billing versus conceptual knowing and I

1649
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,460
also wanted to get into a specific kind

1650
01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:28,319
of channeling like the raw material

1651
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:30,299
which by the way people that's ra not

1652
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:33,299
raw like raw meat you know it's it's raw

1653
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:34,500
raw

1654
01:02:38,270 --> 01:02:35,819
but

1655
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:38,280
yes to this point

1656
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,099
initially who we are right what's

1657
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,480
interesting is

1658
01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:45,359
in the dancing tradition in Buddha

1659
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:48,299
circles you will often have

1660
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,540
like frenchness Ramana maharshi was a

1661
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,000
big influence on me spiritually

1662
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:55,680
he would get people to ask this question

1663
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:57,420
who am I

1664
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,220
and of course some people might go in

1665
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:00,720
the west they may be like well I'm John

1666
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,440
Smith you know and I'm from uh Ohio and

1667
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,000
you know I'm an insurance salesman what

1668
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:08,640
do you mean who am I it's not difficult

1669
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:10,859
and then Romano would be like no who are

1670
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,040
you really you know separate

1671
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:16,559
your experiences separate your history

1672
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:19,920
from the deep sense the Deep felt sense

1673
01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:23,339
of I am-ness right

1674
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:25,260
what's interesting when you start again

1675
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:27,059
in in Buddhist tradition we'll teach you

1676
01:03:31,849 --> 01:03:28,920
this when you start tracing back your

1677
01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:31,859
history you realize that and we've

1678
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:33,780
touched on this many ways we change

1679
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,700
right we're not the same people

1680
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,920
Darren and Nathan probably wouldn't have

1681
01:03:41,809 --> 01:03:40,440
wanted to do the show 20 years ago or 10

1682
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:41,819
years ago right

1683
01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:44,700
so what does that say about them right

1684
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:47,460
do they get to say and say who am I that

1685
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:48,900
I'm now in the future doing this crazy

1686
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:50,760
show talking about these like a landish

1687
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:53,400
kind of Notions right that's not fair

1688
01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:54,780
that's not me where's my sovereignty

1689
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:56,220
gone right that we don't do that right

1690
01:04:00,410 --> 01:03:58,500
because we have this continuation of

1691
01:04:03,170 --> 01:04:00,420
time and so we think that

1692
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,180
in some ways we kind of ignorance takes

1693
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:05,880
over and we don't fully stay in touch

1694
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:07,380
with how much we change at least

1695
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,819
hopefully we should change I think if

1696
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:10,680
we're really growing

1697
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:14,040
but the point of that exercise the Roman

1698
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,720
maharshi or a Buddhist teacher might

1699
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,000
take you through is to make you realize

1700
01:04:24,349 --> 01:04:21,180
that really there is no consistent self

1701
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,359
right there is just experience

1702
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,579
so not only is there just experience of

1703
01:04:30,170 --> 01:04:28,799
I but even you can eventually get to the

1704
01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:30,180
point where there's not really even an

1705
01:04:35,329 --> 01:04:32,819
eye there that all there is is

1706
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:35,339
experiential reality and we have a

1707
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,260
particular lens and a way of framing it

1708
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,599
but what we really are is the aliveness

1709
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,520
of everything

1710
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:44,160
right and that's why we ultimately have

1711
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:46,260
access to everything because that's what

1712
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:49,020
we really are and so only in many ways

1713
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:51,780
our conceptions the framework we bring

1714
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:53,700
to it that limits our ability to

1715
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:54,900
experience that

1716
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:56,520
so what I would suggest to people is

1717
01:05:00,349 --> 01:04:58,140
just by beginning to entertain these

1718
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,359
Notions broaden your understanding of

1719
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,880
not just what reality is but who you are

1720
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:04,980
you begin to experience life differently

1721
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:08,220
like we've said before it changes your

1722
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:11,700
experience of reality it changes reality

1723
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:13,079
so

1724
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,839
recognize that if it's true that not

1725
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:21,119
only am I not the same person I was five

1726
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,579
years ago and ten years ago but on top

1727
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,900
of that

1728
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,359
you know there's just this Buddhist

1729
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,760
koan it was encolon that will be asked

1730
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:31,680
which is like

1731
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:33,420
what was your face before your parents

1732
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,980
were born

1733
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:37,200
you know

1734
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:40,020
and we we stop and we go well no that's

1735
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:41,400
not possible because you know there's

1736
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:43,319
this linear thing and you know they they

1737
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:44,940
had to be born from their parents and

1738
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,099
they got together and conceived and

1739
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,140
that's that's me there was no face right

1740
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:50,640
before that

1741
01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:53,579
that's the conceptual answer right but

1742
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:56,700
when we really really feel into and by

1743
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:58,500
feeling so I mean when we get past our

1744
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:00,780
conceptions we get past the default node

1745
01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:02,579
Network right if what we've been told

1746
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,099
and forced and propagandized around

1747
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,440
we recognize that there's some sense of

1748
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:09,420
I amnest that it's Eternal that it is

1749
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,099
beyond space and time

1750
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:13,200
and that really it's only because we try

1751
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,299
to force it into this model that's only

1752
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:17,220
been around for a very short period of

1753
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:19,619
time or the blink of an eye that we we

1754
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,559
lose that sense so by opening this up

1755
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:24,720
recognizing that actually it's it's an

1756
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:27,539
it's enabling or it's empowering

1757
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:30,420
to recognize that there is ultimately no

1758
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:34,319
defined eye right that that there's

1759
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,799
nothing less noble or inspiring about

1760
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:39,900
the notion that some higher version of

1761
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:42,299
yourself inspired you with that song Or

1762
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:45,240
maybe some collective intelligence of of

1763
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:46,140
of

1764
01:06:50,109 --> 01:06:47,220
um you know I've talked about having

1765
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,119
this kind of experience of having a

1766
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:53,280
simultaneously existing co-rising aspect

1767
01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:55,079
of my multi-dimensional self that's kind

1768
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:56,520
of part of this Collective civilization

1769
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,400
I sometimes can kind of tune into that I

1770
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,440
don't personally go man I wanted to say

1771
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:03,599
I wrote that song but actually it turns

1772
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,920
out to say it's the civilization over

1773
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:06,299
there right

1774
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,039
um but I don't think that way because I

1775
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:10,559
actually experience I am nests

1776
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:13,859
in that we are-ness right like for me

1777
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:16,799
that feels that is my definition of I at

1778
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,839
that moment it's expanded right and and

1779
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:20,700
again what many of these others keep

1780
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,460
saying to us is it's your inability to

1781
01:07:27,049 --> 01:07:25,440
see that you actually are everything and

1782
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:27,059
connect you to everything that is

1783
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,920
causing so many of your problems right

1784
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:30,720
so so that's what I would say to that

1785
01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:32,460
question is is

1786
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,099
rather than thinking that's the final

1787
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:37,380
answer this is exactly what I am and now

1788
01:07:42,529 --> 01:07:38,700
you're telling me I'm not the one that

1789
01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:42,539
did that no I'm saying sit with who you

1790
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:44,339
are ask the question that Romano

1791
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:46,859
maharshi asks you not just who am I but

1792
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:49,619
what is this and really sit with it to

1793
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,660
the part where some of the Notions you

1794
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:53,280
have begin to dissolve around you almost

1795
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,140
like the Matrix like male getting

1796
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,599
unplugged

1797
01:08:03,230 --> 01:07:59,819
yeah

1798
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:03,240
well I I know you wanted to touch on uh

1799
01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:07,020
some I think some specific

1800
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,240
the interplay here between

1801
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:11,280
I guess the

1802
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,260
this broader understanding that you've

1803
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:14,880
articulated

1804
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,060
and and the way that we really are kind

1805
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,880
of bogged down in this very dense sense

1806
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:22,080
of self

1807
01:08:29,329 --> 01:08:25,799
now and and I I want to touch on kind of

1808
01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:29,339
bringing those ideas together with

1809
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,040
where we are in this point in time on

1810
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:35,040
Earth with the disclosure process right

1811
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:36,480
because I think

1812
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:39,660
we can kind of extrapolate this

1813
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:42,960
highly dense notion of self and and kind

1814
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:46,020
of mirror that onto this highly dense

1815
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,380
notion of State uh and and you know

1816
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:51,719
governments and and delineations that

1817
01:08:57,169 --> 01:08:54,540
with human civilization has made in its

1818
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,179
in its body basically uh even though we

1819
01:09:02,749 --> 01:08:59,520
are as you say all one

1820
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:02,759
um and and how that ties together with

1821
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:05,880
the disclosure process because I think

1822
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:09,060
just as as we do tend to get wrapped up

1823
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,640
in this I this identity issue and the

1824
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,920
you know the the light show of what it

1825
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:16,799
is to be embodied in the self

1826
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,319
um so too disclosure is doing that as

1827
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:20,640
well you know we're getting wrapped up

1828
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:23,699
in this in this uh in in the in the

1829
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:27,839
theatrics uh in the power aspects of it

1830
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:30,900
um and and really there's this component

1831
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:35,239
to disclosure that is so much broader uh

1832
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,699
that that you know connects in with this

1833
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,380
channeled idea

1834
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,719
um and so I don't know how how do you

1835
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,339
think about this if we're going to

1836
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:46,440
Overlay these Concepts onto kind of what

1837
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:48,179
what's taking place in the world right

1838
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:50,339
now

1839
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:51,960
great question again because I think

1840
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:54,420
this this is what's most essential about

1841
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:56,580
disclosure actually

1842
01:10:01,610 --> 01:10:00,060
the many people will even say to me

1843
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,620
because sometimes they'll get the sense

1844
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,600
that maybe I know some things that are

1845
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,580
going on internally and so they'll say

1846
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:06,719
but I don't understand why it's such a

1847
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,520
big deal you know like so so there's

1848
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,800
some other biological beings from Zeta

1849
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:12,420
reticuli you know like you're telling me

1850
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,860
that's going to change the world or the

1851
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,420
you know this would be mass panic

1852
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:17,520
because of that and I'll say maybe not

1853
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,560
but that's not what disclosure is that's

1854
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:21,120
not the fullness of it

1855
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:24,360
the fullness of it goes to who we are

1856
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:27,420
our Origins not just because we are an

1857
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:29,699
engineered species species which I think

1858
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,380
is the case that's seen evidence that

1859
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:33,360
that seems to be absolutely true

1860
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,880
but again that's only one way of looking

1861
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:37,980
at it because we are ultimately the

1862
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,199
cosmos we are ultimately fractal

1863
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:42,060
impressions of the original mind as are

1864
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:43,860
the gray aliens and the nordics and the

1865
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:45,480
reptilians and the light beings and the

1866
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,060
shadow beings I can go on and on

1867
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:50,340
we are all fractal impressions of the

1868
01:10:56,209 --> 01:10:52,860
original mind so

1869
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:56,219
and in that we are therefore like facets

1870
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:58,920
of the same diamond and yet our

1871
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:01,380
civilization lives as if we are separate

1872
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:06,060
diamonds or rocks on the road and

1873
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,800
that creates a kind of collective

1874
01:11:12,590 --> 01:11:09,840
Insanity right because we

1875
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:12,600
are fundamentally acting regularly in

1876
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:15,239
ways that defy what actual reality

1877
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,300
suggests is the case and that never

1878
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,580
works well so

1879
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,560
you hear about this so often this has

1880
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:25,260
been like the most common

1881
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:28,860
warning admonition message given to

1882
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:31,020
experiors over time not just experiences

1883
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:34,020
of the UFO phenomenon in the last 150

1884
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,100
years but I mean going back into

1885
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,500
religious history right or what was

1886
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:40,140
depicted as a religious event it's the

1887
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,400
sense if you've got to raise your

1888
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,900
Consciousness and that's not just some

1889
01:11:46,189 --> 01:11:45,480
sort of vague new agey thing like you

1890
01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:46,199
know

1891
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:53,219
but it's actually

1892
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,490
find your home your identity in in the

1893
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:04,320
all recognize not just conceptually that

1894
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:06,600
you are one with everything but actually

1895
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:10,440
begin to live somatically and

1896
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:13,140
from a heart center that recognizes you

1897
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,480
are actually part of everything and as I

1898
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:17,040
often say as an example

1899
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:20,340
then taking advantage of someone else

1900
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:21,719
or

1901
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:24,360
letting greed take over would be as

1902
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:27,780
silly to you as like cutting your left

1903
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,540
arm so your right arm gets more of the

1904
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,400
you know pie or something like that

1905
01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:35,760
right it's ridiculous and as much as

1906
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,080
that might sound Preposterous to people

1907
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:39,360
or Kind of a Funny example that's really

1908
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:41,400
what's in play here it's that not only

1909
01:12:46,209 --> 01:12:43,320
that it's silly that we don't see that

1910
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:46,219
but actually we're doing enormous damage

1911
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,060
to our civilization to the planet to the

1912
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:53,040
biosphere

1913
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,800
to the point where again as I've been

1914
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,780
suggesting on social media and other

1915
01:13:03,110 --> 01:12:59,760
podcasts that's exactly why I think

1916
01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:03,120
we're seeing heightened intervention I

1917
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,020
know that's why we're seeing a

1918
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,760
heightened intervention for some of

1919
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:07,199
these others because it's getting to the

1920
01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:09,420
point where technologically we've

1921
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,860
Advanced to the point where we're very

1922
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,719
dangerous not just to ourselves but to

1923
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:15,120
so much of the larger biome of which

1924
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:16,920
some of which is interdimensional we're

1925
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,080
not even aware of yet right just like we

1926
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,640
talked about junk DNA we used to like

1927
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:22,080
just throw it away and say it's junk

1928
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:24,300
it's garbage because in our hubris we

1929
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:25,620
just didn't understand it yet we didn't

1930
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:28,380
have the humility to say yeah maybe we

1931
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,300
just don't know yet you know in the same

1932
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:32,699
way we detonate atomic bombs thinking we

1933
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:34,140
have a really strong sense of what

1934
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,500
nature is Right which that just again

1935
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,880
when you really sit down think about it

1936
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:40,320
it's kind of preposterous that we would

1937
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,699
have reached a summit level of

1938
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:43,920
understanding and yet we're like

1939
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,500
in splitting the atom we're like ripping

1940
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:48,360
apart the fabric of reality and thinking

1941
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:49,860
it's no big deal like we'll just you

1942
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:51,719
know as long as you're outside of the

1943
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,880
you know that Nation range you'll be

1944
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:55,380
okay at we're not thinking about some of

1945
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,060
the other implications

1946
01:14:03,910 --> 01:13:59,880
so you know all this all this comes into

1947
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,920
play and it's only by

1948
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:05,699
disclosure

1949
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,239
prevent presenting that to us

1950
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,520
that really we begin to change and so I

1951
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,320
would suggest to people who are like

1952
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:15,540
hungry for disclosure thinking I just

1953
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:16,440
want to

1954
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:18,120
have the government stop lying to us

1955
01:14:22,570 --> 01:14:19,860
because I know they've been here and

1956
01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:22,580
doing stuff and interacting and even

1957
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,620
sometimes coordinating with militaries

1958
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:27,120
and whatnot

1959
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:28,860
but it's not just that that's not even

1960
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,020
actually the big part of it the

1961
01:14:36,729 --> 01:14:34,080
consequential part of it is Who We Are

1962
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:36,739
who they are and what the whole thing is

1963
01:14:42,350 --> 01:14:39,719
and those all work together and it's

1964
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:42,360
really that kind of disclosure that is

1965
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,860
necessary because we're reaching this

1966
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,080
precipice and it also has the potential

1967
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,360
to really potentially set us on a

1968
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:53,810
right so they're so they're kind of two

1969
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:55,980
different ways of assessing disclosure

1970
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,380
and that's you know kind of the the

1971
01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:01,440
overt things that are occurring in the

1972
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:03,900
revelatory information that's provided

1973
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:05,580
but then there's the the deeper

1974
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:09,000
underlining meaning behind it and you

1975
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:10,500
know I wonder if you could wonder if you

1976
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,640
could speak to

1977
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,739
because you touch on this from time to

1978
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,360
time and you know the word that you'd

1979
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:17,219
like to use is discernment so I want to

1980
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:20,340
focus on this for a second how does

1981
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:21,360
someone

1982
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:24,780
you know kind of survey the information

1983
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:27,000
that we're that we're getting

1984
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:29,400
right now and um some of it coming

1985
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:31,380
through conventional channels and some

1986
01:15:35,209 --> 01:15:32,460
of it coming through these

1987
01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:35,219
non-conventional uh channels and channel

1988
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:37,500
material like how do we look at this and

1989
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,679
and and discern and separate you know

1990
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:42,420
kind of the the facts from the fifth

1991
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:44,340
from the fake fiction here how do you

1992
01:15:51,169 --> 01:15:47,940
apply this is it just that it kind of

1993
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:51,179
rings true to uh the deeper things that

1994
01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:53,580
you were just addressing it resonates

1995
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:56,280
with that core message how do you

1996
01:16:01,729 --> 01:15:59,219
delineate what

1997
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,739
is valuable and things that we can

1998
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,840
disregard here

1999
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,300
right because that's what people ask

2000
01:16:10,610 --> 01:16:08,940
right is is so you someone says they

2001
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:10,620
they claim they've received Channel

2002
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,659
material how do you make heads or tails

2003
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:13,920
of it right how do you know one's better

2004
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,719
than another right isn't it just a bunch

2005
01:16:19,490 --> 01:16:18,000
of opinions man you know like from the

2006
01:16:21,169 --> 01:16:19,500
postmodern perspective like who are you

2007
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,179
to say man if that's any more right than

2008
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:23,699
what this person said exactly or like

2009
01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:25,080
with the raw material in particular

2010
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:26,940
right like why is raw so good versus

2011
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,420
something right right exactly

2012
01:16:33,950 --> 01:16:32,159
so I say a few things here but let's

2013
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,960
begin with the discernment piece

2014
01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:36,060
and I want to go back to Buddhism again

2015
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,219
and even pedantic thought too

2016
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:40,800
because in in those Traditions there's

2017
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:43,140
this notion of a kind of direct knowing

2018
01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:44,820
where you're sort of touching base with

2019
01:16:48,050 --> 01:16:45,900
source

2020
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,060
versus conceptual knowing and in the

2021
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:49,920
west those really are not distinguished

2022
01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:51,420
so really isn't even a sense of there

2023
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,179
being such a thing as direct knowing

2024
01:16:58,729 --> 01:16:56,159
that there's this notion there is no

2025
01:17:01,790 --> 01:16:58,739
knowing outside of conception but that's

2026
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:01,800
actually not at all true and

2027
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:04,020
as you attested to when I've sort of

2028
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:05,340
suggested certain books to you from

2029
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,260
Eastern Traditions it takes a while to

2030
01:17:10,990 --> 01:17:08,880
begin to retrain your brain to even

2031
01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:11,000
begin to possibly

2032
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:13,380
already has heard not really think this

2033
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:16,620
way but to stop the usual thinking well

2034
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:18,360
long enough to realize some other

2035
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:20,699
information is arising so anything that

2036
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:22,920
in that you know non-conventional State

2037
01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:25,320
experience you had same idea right you

2038
01:17:29,570 --> 01:17:27,659
you came to me and said wow I mean

2039
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:29,580
this was fundamentally different than

2040
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:31,140
any other way I've received information

2041
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,060
but this felt more real and more true

2042
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:35,040
and more direct right

2043
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:38,340
so that's part of it is recognizing that

2044
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,920
there is such a thing as direct knowing

2045
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:42,540
and

2046
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:44,760
what you know the historical Buddha

2047
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:47,340
taught was that this is possible for all

2048
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:49,140
human beings so he would say unlike some

2049
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:52,199
other religious traditions you know that

2050
01:17:56,030 --> 01:17:54,540
said believe me because I'm the Son of

2051
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:56,040
God or I'm this or that I'm not saying

2052
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:57,360
Jesus said that that was actually kind

2053
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,840
of how he was framed but I'm saying

2054
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,580
what the Buddha said was test this for

2055
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:03,600
yourself

2056
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:07,080
anyway if this is if this is true then

2057
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:09,060
you'll be able to demonstrate a prayer

2058
01:18:12,290 --> 01:18:10,320
yourself you don't have to listen to my

2059
01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:12,300
words because again we're all connected

2060
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,540
we're all Source if you

2061
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:17,280
get the obstacles out of the way you

2062
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,659
will just see that this has always been

2063
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:20,040
the case and this gets back to what

2064
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:21,900
we've talked before about we were all

2065
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:24,719
the Buddha you know in in

2066
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:27,179
potentially right we just have to

2067
01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:29,580
realize it basically

2068
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:33,260
and also there is no such thing as a 100

2069
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:35,940
perfectly psychic person

2070
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,620
because again of all those things we

2071
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:39,719
said right we all have egos at different

2072
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:42,659
levels of development we all maybe get

2073
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:45,300
impacted by we didn't have a great

2074
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:46,620
breakfast and we're feeling weird

2075
01:18:50,090 --> 01:18:48,540
something happened yesterday with

2076
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:50,100
someone that you know is really you know

2077
01:18:54,649 --> 01:18:52,260
hanging on me you know energetically all

2078
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:54,659
of that's going to impact how we receive

2079
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:56,219
any kind of information and process

2080
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:58,739
including this kind of psychic

2081
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:01,980
information or channeling information so

2082
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:04,500
if a psychic comes to you and says or a

2083
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:06,360
channel comes to you and says this is

2084
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:09,000
100 accurate all the time there's never

2085
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,580
any need to worry about other things

2086
01:19:14,990 --> 01:19:12,960
getting in the way

2087
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:15,000
don't trust them like I would not trust

2088
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:17,640
that and people who do practice these

2089
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:20,219
things regularly will willingly admit

2090
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,780
that that's part of it it's just part of

2091
01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:23,280
the human condition with any kind of

2092
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:25,500
information when we even things in the

2093
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:26,699
west that we think we really are

2094
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:27,960
objectively

2095
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:30,719
validating or Discerning through like

2096
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,760
objective means we know it's not true

2097
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:34,620
right that we talked before about when

2098
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,699
we study

2099
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,679
semantic response we find that we

2100
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:39,600
actually some part of our bodies made a

2101
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:41,340
decision before we ever got to the part

2102
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:43,260
where our we rationally justify it right

2103
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:46,020
but so we actually twist reality to fit

2104
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:47,820
this model rather than you know let the

2105
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,420
reality dictate the model in some ways

2106
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:52,560
um

2107
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,800
so discernment is about also you know if

2108
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,020
like the old saying you know uh if

2109
01:20:01,010 --> 01:19:59,520
someone says jump off a bridge do you do

2110
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:01,020
it or if like three people jump off a

2111
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,040
bridge does that mean you should do it

2112
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:04,320
no you should discern is this what's the

2113
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:07,620
fruit of this action going to be so if a

2114
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:10,980
supposed higher version of yourself or

2115
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:13,500
an extraterrestrial intelligence is

2116
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:16,620
saying to you you should do this

2117
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:19,620
weigh it you know think about it sit on

2118
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:21,540
it meditate on it you know talk to other

2119
01:20:26,330 --> 01:20:23,640
people about it think about what the

2120
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:26,340
implications of that action would be and

2121
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:27,719
use your common sense I mean there's

2122
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:29,640
just because this is a non-conventional

2123
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,320
information which again I think

2124
01:20:34,850 --> 01:20:32,880
eventually look at support or realize

2125
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:34,860
that's the wrong notion this is

2126
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:36,900
completely conventional actually

2127
01:20:41,209 --> 01:20:38,699
but because it's completely conventional

2128
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:41,219
just an expanded sense of convention

2129
01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:42,780
we should apply the same Common Sense

2130
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,940
rules we do everywhere else

2131
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:46,320
and so

2132
01:20:51,229 --> 01:20:48,540
I want to tie that in with with the raw

2133
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:51,239
material specifically because one of the

2134
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:53,940
ways that the raw material really Rings

2135
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,640
true to me is because I hear that

2136
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:59,040
Oneness message number one it was not

2137
01:21:01,610 --> 01:21:00,239
the first time I heard the Oneness

2138
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:01,620
message right I've already been

2139
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:04,080
convinced of that from my own experience

2140
01:21:07,550 --> 01:21:05,940
when I've dropped into the deepest

2141
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,560
levels of who I am where I'm in that

2142
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:09,360
Bedrock where everything's connected

2143
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:10,199
right

2144
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:14,040
than that I can attest to that that is

2145
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,360
truth at that point and I don't mean

2146
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,000
conceptually sounds like a good idea I

2147
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:19,920
mean you resonate with it it's almost

2148
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,380
like a harmonic resonance right it's a

2149
01:21:26,930 --> 01:21:25,199
different way of experiencing truth and

2150
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:26,940
truth and sense of reality not an

2151
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,140
abstraction

2152
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:30,960
so I had already come to that conclusion

2153
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:33,179
as so many people from Buddhist pedantic

2154
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:35,340
you know non-dual Traditions have come

2155
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,800
to is that everything's connected and of

2156
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:39,120
course science is pointing in that

2157
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:41,100
direction too that even even with

2158
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:42,719
quantum theory we realize there's not

2159
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:44,940
really these discrete things there's

2160
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:48,060
more like a field that sometimes takes

2161
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:50,640
on the appearance of what looks like a

2162
01:21:56,030 --> 01:21:53,219
thing but really it's just an excitation

2163
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:56,040
of the field whereas Bernardo would say

2164
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:58,260
Bernardo Castro you know an excitation

2165
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,300
of Consciousness right the there isn't

2166
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:01,920
really a Whirlpool there's just a river

2167
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:04,500
this exciting in such a way as to look

2168
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:06,060
like a Whirlpool temporarily and that's

2169
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:07,440
what we are as well and that doesn't

2170
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:09,120
make us any less ultimately real

2171
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:11,400
actually because this happens all the

2172
01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:13,500
way up and all the way down and this is

2173
01:22:19,790 --> 01:22:17,219
just how Consciousness can subsume all

2174
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,800
of these other categories of existence

2175
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:22,440
so again betting getting back to the raw

2176
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,540
material there's several things that in

2177
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,400
aperture of the case make it seem

2178
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,280
trustworthy to me number one there's the

2179
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:31,380
overarching Oneness message

2180
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:36,649
descriptions of our history that fit

2181
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:38,100
with other things I've corroborated

2182
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:41,460
about our history there's

2183
01:22:46,130 --> 01:22:44,219
trues told about different kinds of

2184
01:22:48,649 --> 01:22:46,140
alien intelligences and how it's not

2185
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:48,659
always love and light there is love and

2186
01:22:51,890 --> 01:22:49,980
light but there's also these ones that

2187
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:51,900
are more you know at a lower level of

2188
01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:53,159
Consciousness themselves even if they're

2189
01:22:56,330 --> 01:22:54,900
at a higher level than us even

2190
01:22:58,189 --> 01:22:56,340
dimensionally sometimes they're still

2191
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,199
working from that kind of sense of

2192
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,239
separation and that makes them take

2193
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:02,400
advantage of species just like we tend

2194
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,380
to do that with certain societies we go

2195
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:06,480
into right or nation states

2196
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:09,719
so in other words the metaphysical

2197
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,600
picture or the the astral political

2198
01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:15,120
picture fits with other things I've seen

2199
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,920
so in other words I'm corroborating this

2200
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,719
with my own experiences with things I'm

2201
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,120
reading and hearing elsewhere

2202
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:23,040
I also trust the people that were

2203
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,020
involved that they actually were

2204
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:28,080
very ego less they really had

2205
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:30,179
done their work had done Shadow work

2206
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:33,000
they had cleared out as much of the

2207
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:35,640
impurities as possible so that a more

2208
01:23:38,090 --> 01:23:36,540
pure

2209
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:38,100
source of information could come through

2210
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:40,020
in fact the raw group will even say

2211
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,460
that's why they pick that group because

2212
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,679
they were capable of actually receiving

2213
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:45,679
this because there was kind of this

2214
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:47,820
cleanliness there this clean channel

2215
01:23:51,709 --> 01:23:49,380
right

2216
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:51,719
but also like I said because the the

2217
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:53,100
Oneness thing fits with things I've

2218
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,140
learned elsewhere

2219
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:57,480
so and it also even is corroborated by

2220
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,940
other other channel material too like

2221
01:24:03,169 --> 01:24:01,440
you'll often

2222
01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:03,179
and then this is key too you have to be

2223
01:24:06,350 --> 01:24:04,440
able to get past some of the language

2224
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:06,360
sometimes you have to be able to get

2225
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:09,060
past some superficial differences you

2226
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:10,500
have to recognize it's never going to be

2227
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:12,300
100 you're always going to have some

2228
01:24:15,290 --> 01:24:14,040
impurities or other things that get

2229
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:15,300
mixed in because it's passing through

2230
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:17,340
multiple layers of reality but

2231
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:19,800
fundamentally it's very sound that's

2232
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:21,960
what I would say so these are the kind

2233
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,219
of

2234
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:25,199
tools I would say we need to bring to

2235
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:26,940
bear or trying to make sense of these

2236
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:30,360
things and when we do we really can and

2237
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,640
should I would say learn from these

2238
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,320
things because this is an immense

2239
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:36,960
Treasure Trove of

2240
01:24:42,590 --> 01:24:40,500
information that is absolutely true even

2241
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:42,600
if it's sometimes only partially true

2242
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,480
because some impurities get in but when

2243
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,280
we begin to really

2244
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:48,960
draw from these sources of information

2245
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:51,239
and put them through those discernment

2246
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:53,219
filters we just talked about then really

2247
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:55,020
we begin to not only transform

2248
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,000
civilization with that information but

2249
01:25:02,890 --> 01:24:59,280
we begin to actually realize what it's

2250
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:02,900
like to be in contact with these greater

2251
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:06,060
expansive elements of reality in ways

2252
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:11,750
yeah and on that note I wanna

2253
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,380
kind of

2254
01:25:19,130 --> 01:25:16,080
speak a little bit to the experiment

2255
01:25:23,689 --> 01:25:19,140
here that is liminal frames uh that it

2256
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:23,699
is a uh it very much as a wee space and

2257
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:25,500
you know I

2258
01:25:29,330 --> 01:25:27,179
not only as I

2259
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,340
speak with you during these recordings

2260
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:31,679
but you know outside of them when we

2261
01:25:35,689 --> 01:25:33,780
meet or when I'm thinking about the show

2262
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:35,699
you know I think about

2263
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:38,100
not just the two of us I think about

2264
01:25:43,970 --> 01:25:41,400
you know all the all that goes into what

2265
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:43,980
this is you know the The Listener

2266
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,920
experience the uh the impact of the

2267
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:48,480
topic

2268
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:50,520
um the downstream effect

2269
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:53,219
of having the conversation both on our

2270
01:25:58,010 --> 01:25:56,520
own selves personally but on our own

2271
01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:58,020
interpersonal relationships with other

2272
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,860
individuals like you know this is an

2273
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:04,380
example just like every human

2274
01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:08,460
relationship is of uh of what we've been

2275
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:10,980
talking about tonight uh and that is

2276
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:13,260
that you know from a certain vantage

2277
01:26:18,649 --> 01:26:15,420
point if you allow it right this is the

2278
01:26:21,770 --> 01:26:18,659
thing you know it it's just a reminder

2279
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:21,780
it's there for you all the time you just

2280
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:25,500
have to allow yourself to to perceive it

2281
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,420
and participate in it

2282
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:29,520
and

2283
01:26:33,709 --> 01:26:32,400
if we can take a moment to just be

2284
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:33,719
present

2285
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:38,219
to the totality of this experience not

2286
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,380
just the words that you're hearing not

2287
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,960
just the the you know the place where

2288
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:44,760
you're sitting or what you're doing

2289
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:48,420
going about your day but the sphere the

2290
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:51,719
scope of of this interaction

2291
01:26:58,189 --> 01:26:55,199
uh you begin to see and appreciate how

2292
01:27:00,169 --> 01:26:58,199
deep this really goes and and and how

2293
01:27:02,330 --> 01:27:00,179
much it transcends and I'm not just

2294
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,340
saying this show I'm just saying that

2295
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:05,280
your lived experience it the scope

2296
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:07,800
doesn't really end and it's just you

2297
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,020
have to be willing to perceive it

2298
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:12,480
uh and when you do that when you when

2299
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,280
you start as we talked about earlier

2300
01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:16,800
when you when you play with this idea

2301
01:27:22,910 --> 01:27:19,020
when you when you Flex this muscle and

2302
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:22,920
and train it uh it absolutely responds

2303
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,900
and grows

2304
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,880
um and you can toggle it you can kind of

2305
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:29,040
turn it on and turn it off and and be

2306
01:27:33,290 --> 01:27:31,380
present and not present to it uh and

2307
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,300
there are good things about both right

2308
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:35,520
you should you know I think that's

2309
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:36,840
another thing people should hopefully

2310
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:39,000
hear is we're not kind of being down on

2311
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:41,639
you know being hyper personalized like

2312
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,800
that's part of the experience you know

2313
01:27:48,350 --> 01:27:46,320
we can't have one without the other but

2314
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:48,360
just to say that we've we've gotten to a

2315
01:27:52,129 --> 01:27:49,260
place

2316
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,139
in the world now where we've spent so

2317
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:55,020
much energy and time focused on the eye

2318
01:27:58,490 --> 01:27:56,159
the me

2319
01:28:01,850 --> 01:27:58,500
that we've lost sight of the rest of it

2320
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:01,860
all and and I think we you know to our

2321
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,620
debt to our great detriment uh so we're

2322
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:07,080
asking that we just redeem that we bring

2323
01:28:12,649 --> 01:28:08,460
it back

2324
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:12,659
in into experience and watch when doing

2325
01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:15,960
that how everything transforms

2326
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:18,179
well said and and you know I would say

2327
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:20,940
we all I think have had practical

2328
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:23,460
experiences where we

2329
01:28:27,530 --> 01:28:25,620
enjoy that sense of weave space right

2330
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,540
whether it's

2331
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,280
you know you've played in a band whether

2332
01:28:34,370 --> 01:28:30,960
it's like you know a four-piece rock

2333
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,380
band or an orchestra and you become part

2334
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:36,480
of and you're caught up in something so

2335
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:39,060
much larger than yourself and you feel

2336
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:42,780
this like vibrant expansive aliveness

2337
01:28:47,870 --> 01:28:44,460
right in that

2338
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:47,880
same thing you know if you're uh on

2339
01:28:52,189 --> 01:28:49,860
stage in a Shakespearean play and you're

2340
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:52,199
caught up in like the drama all together

2341
01:28:56,770 --> 01:28:53,940
and then all these pieces are pulling

2342
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:56,780
together to to create this experiential

2343
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:59,580
kind of uh presentation for people and

2344
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,080
you're part of the audience too gets

2345
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:02,880
part of it too right and everybody feels

2346
01:29:06,169 --> 01:29:03,780
and you've talked about this before

2347
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:06,179
being at concerts right everybody feels

2348
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,800
this immense aliveness and we

2349
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:12,540
sometimes feel most alive in those

2350
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:13,800
moments and if you think about it those

2351
01:29:17,689 --> 01:29:14,820
are the times where least

2352
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,699
individualistic right so we I think

2353
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,920
practically have these experiences

2354
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,560
well I really think about we sit down

2355
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:24,239
and think about it we go I don't know

2356
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:25,679
about this rugged individualism thing

2357
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:27,179
because actually what I feel most

2358
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,540
profound most myself is when I'm beyond

2359
01:29:34,729 --> 01:29:32,400
myself when I'm part of something else

2360
01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:34,739
and I would suggest that not only can we

2361
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,139
experience that as human beings but what

2362
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,840
we're on the cusp of is the possibility

2363
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:41,760
space where we can begin to experience

2364
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:45,000
that we space with a whole assortment of

2365
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:46,440
other beings as well that's really

2366
01:29:51,229 --> 01:29:48,120
what's what's in play and that's why

2367
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:51,239
it's such a exciting time to be alive

2368
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:52,380
yeah

2369
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:55,860
A gift just waiting for us to receive it

2370
01:30:02,930 --> 01:30:00,169
well thank you all for listening and

2371
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:02,940
joining us this evening uh or whatever

2372
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:06,840
time it may be we really enjoy uh having

2373
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,179
this conversation with you

2374
01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:11,520
um and look forward to the interactions

2375
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,500
that come from it

2376
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,320
uh We wish all of you well

2377
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:18,480
May the quality of our questions shaped

2378
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,699
by a desire for understanding enhance

2379
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,280
our journey of Discovery and may our

2380
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:25,440
travels broaden the sphere of our

2381
01:30:31,390 --> 01:30:27,540
Consciousness reminding us that new

2382
01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:31,400
discoveries beget New Horizons as always

2383
01:30:39,130 --> 01:30:34,380
Adventure awaits we'll see you next time

2384
01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:41,260
[Music]

2385
01:30:49,210 --> 01:30:42,940
[Laughter]

2386
01:30:49,220 --> 01:30:58,330
[Music]